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john-obrienEver since I was a child, I have heard of Americas’ story. America was founded by individuals who came here to escape religious intolerance. From there it was related to me that America was founded on “Christian Principles” From there the equation is: America equals Christian equals the reason why American has the leading role in the world. It is not easy to put a definition on the term Christian nation that would be acceptable in logic and in fact. One person remarked: Why do we need to define any nation as “Christian”, that is “Christ like”?

The security of all Christian is the reliable, unshaken, dependable, Kingdom of God. Nothing else can or will match that.

Mark 8:36 The Message (MSG)

34-37 Calling the crowd to join his disciples, he said, "Anyone who intends to come with me has to let me lead. You're not in the driver's seat; I am. Don't run from suffering; embrace it. Follow me and I'll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, my way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you? What could you ever trade your soul for?

This is the political season in USA. As bad as it looks now, both world wide and at home, each season of presidential politics that has rolled around in my life seemed hold terror for some if a certain individual or party came into power. I think this section in the book of Mark is telling us to engage the world for sure, but do not lose your soul by being overcome by the world.

The other day, this very subject came up with my good friend. In the United States, as long as I can remember I have always heard the phase, America is a Christian nation. If you hear it often enough, young enough, it gets ingrained in your brain... The question cam up in our discussion : What is a “Christian Nation” ?

The meaning of that phrase is not clear. The definition has too many dependencies.. Another topic of discussion grew out of the first discussion we were having... How should a Christian engage in politics with out sinning?

Political actions equal sin? Or What is a “Christian Nation”?

Is a Christian nation,a nation where 100 % of the people living there are Christians?

Does that mean if one person is not Christian, then the whole nation is not considered Christian?

John 18:36 The Message (MSG)

36" My kingdom," said Jesus, "doesn't consist of what you see around you. If it did, my followers would fight so that I wouldn't be handed over to the Jews. But I'm not that kind of king, not the world's kind of king."

Motives of the leaders?

  • Is a Christian nation have anything to do with the motives of the leaders?
  • How does one determine the meaning of the term of “Christian nation”?
  • What makes a nation "Christian" versus being a "secular" nation?
  • What about if nation government officially endorses itself as being of another religion? But the decisions made are closer to Christian thinking than our own?

Matthew 6:33 The Message (MSG)

30-33" If God gives such attention to the appearance of wildflowers—most of which are never even seen—don't you think he'll attend to you, take pride in you, do his best for you? What I'm trying to do here is to get you to relax, to not be so preoccupied with getting, so you can respond to God's giving. People who don't know God and the way he works fuss over these things, but you know both God and how he works. Steep your life in God-reality, God-initiative, God-provisions. Don't worry about missing out. You'll find all your everyday human concerns will be met.

If our president was a Catholic, are we a than Catholic nation? Or, if he were a LDS, then is the nation considered LDS because of the leadership?

Colossians 3:7-8 The Message (MSG)

5-8 And that means killing off everything connected with that way of death: sexual promiscuity, impurity, lust, doing whatever you feel like whenever you feel like it, and grabbing whatever attracts your fancy. That's a life shaped by things and feelings instead of by God. It's because of this kind of thing that God is about to explode in anger. It wasn't long ago that you were doing all that stuff and not knowing any better. But you know better now, so make sure it's all gone for good: bad temper, irritability, meanness, profanity, dirty talk.

Exercising ones’ Christianity

Do you want to participate in politics? Do you want to have a say in who your next leader will be? Do you want to express your mindset about who is running for office? Be careful. Do not sin. Do not demonize anyone, regardless. Like it or not, realize it or not, we all are created in the image of God, no matter if you like their policy's or not.

James 4:12 The Message (MSG)

11-12 Don't bad-mouth each other, friends. It's God's Word, his Message, his Royal Rule, that takes a beating in that kind of talk. You're supposed to be honoring the Message, not writing graffiti all over it. God is in charge of deciding human destiny. Who do you think you are to meddle in the destiny of others?

or this:

What nations of the world would we define as being Christian?

I think the number one caution would be to remember that The Kingdom of God can not be equated in any method shape or form of any political party that exists in any nation on earth. This includes all of the nations where the majority of the people claim some form of Christianity, Keep in mind the Christian nations if any exists today, are not The Kingdom of God?

1 Corinthians 1:11-12 The Message (MSG)

11-12 I bring this up because some from Chloe's family brought a most disturbing report to my attention—that you're fighting among yourselves! I'll tell you exactly what I was told: You're all picking sides, going around saying, "I'm on Paul's side," or "I'm for Apollos," or "Peter is my man," or "I'm in the Messiah group."

How do you make a determination?

Some say that upholding certain Christian teachings makes a country Christian. Which principles have to be upheld for a country to be considered Christian? No abortion? No beer on Sunday? Prayer in the Capital?

2. Corinthians 5:18-19 The Message (MSG)

16-20 Because of this decision we don't evaluate people by what they have or how they look. We looked at the Messiah that way once and got it all wrong, as you know. We certainly don't look at him that way anymore. Now we look inside, and what we see is that anyone united with the Messiah gets a fresh start, is created new. The old life is gone; a new life burgeon! Look at it! All this comes from the God who settled the relationship between us and him, and then called us to settle our relationships with each other. God put the world square with himself through the Messiah, giving the world a fresh start by offering forgiveness of sins. God has given us the task of telling everyone what he is doing. We're Christ's representatives. God uses us to persuade men and women to drop their differences and enter into Go

The main thing to remember here that the office holder, candidate, or politician can not by himself and on his own produce social equality. We Christians have one Lord and Master, and do not give this status to any one else, powerful political figure or not.

James 1:19-20 The Message (MSG)

Act on What You Hear

19-21 Post this at all the intersections, dear friends: Lead with your ears, follow up with your tongue, and let anger straggle along in the rear. God's righteousness doesn't grow from human anger. So throw all spoiled virtue and cancerous evil in the garbage. In simple humility, let our gardener, God, landscape you with the Word, making a salvation-garden of your life.

Would it be a concept like, say, the notion of the ”Sooner Nation” in Oklahoma. The concept here is If you follow the Oklahoma football team, you belong to the Sooner Nation. So under this idea If you follow Jesus Christ, you belong to Jesus “Christian Nation.” Would that mean if you claim to be part of the "Jesus Nation" (AKA The Kingdom of God), you are not necessarily 100% faithful and loyal to the United States?

Others have this thought: When it is convenient and popular, a nation might think of its self as being “Christian” This often happen when the political figures are trying to rally public options against .terrorist attacks, disasters and hard times. Usually this takes place when the “powers to be” want to control the thinking of the population. The “powers will claim the mantle of Christianity, especially when trying to prove a point, or campaign. In other times their allegiance to the Kingdom of God is non existent. Does this make our nation a Christian nation by a mere label?

The security of all Christian is the reliable, unshaken, dependable, Kingdom of God. Nothing else can or will match that.

Personally I have lived and visited and had close association with many nations around the world. Some were definitely not considered Christian by any measure of the term. Some were considered Christian but it was hard to tell by observation. Someone has suggested it comes down to the DNA of the culture of any nation in question.

Each culture is unique to each nation under consideration. The term DMA is used for want of a better term. There is a lot of “Christian DNA” in the way Americans think–a lot more than most people seem to assume. And there’s a lot less “Christian DNA” in other countries than we Christians tend to assume. So can we say, by the preponderance of DMA, that we have a Christian nation. Did you vote for your candidate ? Did they win? Now pray from them. Pry for the winners and losers. Pray for Gods Guidance and blessing be poured out on them Even if they, in your estimation, are the worst possible one to have the job.

Something that happens ever time a national election rolls around: The attempt, largely successful, to split the nation along lines of Race, social status or sex. The attempt will be to divide the votes into well formed voting blacks. When you go to vote, or hear a candidate speak, do not check your brains at the door. Do not become so involved that you lose you Christian identity. Keep this one thing on mind: The outcome of the 2012 presidential election is going to have significant impact on all of our lives. No matter who gets elected, the impact could be significantly negative. However all tat being said, we do not need to worry and in fact we are discouraged from worry in the Christian life style. You see, no matter what happens it will be no surprise to God. He is in control and He is our security....

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